Thursday, December 11, 2014

Trainings of period 15. november .. 11. december

Long time no postings

It has been long time since I last posted something here.It's because I have been lazy: in trainings and in writing as well.
First I had some family issues that prevented me going out to running: my wife was away for 5 days so I had to keep eye on my 3 years old son. That's too young to leave him home alone, and I do not have means to take him with me during running. I could have find some time while he was in kindergarten (and I was supposed to be at work), but I was a bit too lazy for that. Then I was supposed to have "fun marathon" at 22. November, so when I missed a training day after wife arrived I decided avoid going out at day before.
Unfortunately I didn't manage to go to race. At race day very early morning I started to nauseate and vomit. Felt really bad for whole day, and had a temperature about 38.5.  Luckily the temperature fall rather quickly so I was almost normal in following day. But I felt a bit too tired (and was a bit lazy as well) for following week, so there was a bit longer break in trainings. To be honest I should have gone out and took some brisks walks... But, as I said, I was lazy.
The first training after break was at 3. December. That was easy 30 minute jog. I used the Polar "OwnZone". It suggests training heart rate zone based on HR data during the warm up phase of session. But I do not think it is worth of tracking the given HR zones as I do not intend to use that feature much. Next one was at Friday, 5th December, again 30 minute jog, and again OwnZone. I forgot to start the miCoach app in phone so I do not have GPS length for that run. On Saturday I made a bit longer jog, 50 minutes. On that day the weather wasn't too good: there was wind together with snow powder. That wasn't problem in first half when wind was from back. But when I turned back it started to hurt my face. So I increased the speed so I could get home more quickly...
The next training I took was on Tuesday, 9th December: 40 min green. And today I made a 35 minute blue recovery.


Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
_. 30 min blue recovery /35:00 137/148 4.47/4.51 7:50/6:03 50 73/88
_. 40 min green /52:56 150/167 7.26/7.97 7:18/5:20 46 84/91
_. 50 min recovery /50:15 145/168 6.81/7.17 7:22/5:37 49 86/92
_. OwnZone /32:53 156/173 5.52/??? 5:57/4:42 53 87/94
_. OwnZone /32:19 143/167 4.1/4.3 7:53/6:27 46 83/92
11. 40.min green 50:00/53:34 148/159 7.96/8.01 6:44/5:26 53 83/89 84%
10. VO2max intervals 30:00/36:14 158/191 5.63/5.66 6:26/3:17 44 83/101 67%
9. Green 50 min 1:00:00/1:07:59 151/170 9.81/10.57 6:56/4:45 49 84/90 80%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:56 137/146 4.53/4.74 7:42/6:15 52 84/90 70%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%


Weather for today run was a bit cold: temperature +2°C, small breeze. According to
Clothing:  T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, wind stopper, ski hat. gloves.

Started using Strava

I think I have already told that I'm part of miCoach "Marathon Dream team 2h59" (https://community-micoach.adidas.com/groups/dream-team-2h59) group. The organizers of the group also made "club" in Strava, http://www.strava.com/clubs/micoachers. I was a bit curious and wanted to test it out as well, so I created a profile in strava: http://www.strava.com/athletes/7221211 Currently I have some troubles with auto upload activities from miCoach system to Starava, so I have to download & upload each training manually. I will complain about it in miCoach forums soon...


Polar OwnOptimizer test


I also didn't hold uop with promise to make regular OwnOptimizer tests. Now, as there has been long training gap and illness in between I suppose I have to reset the baseline to get new "normal" average values.
I added thee test results into table. They are actually a bit hard to explain to myself... "Hard training" after rest day (was it sign of coming illness, 5 days later?), and overreaching a week after illness... Maybe not so hard to understand after all...

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result Previous day
9.12.2014 58 115 79 2 - Normal Rest day
3.13.2014 58 117 80 7 -Overreaching Rest day, week after illness
17.11.2014 57 111 85 6 - Hard training Rest day
14.11.2014 58 114 75 3 - Training Effect Rest day
13.11.2014 59 109 75 3 - Training Effect VO2max interval
12.11.2014 55 107 68 2 - Normal Rest day
11.11.2014 52 103 67 2 - Normal 50 min green
10.11.2014 55 102 75 2 - Normal active "rest day"


Happy running,
Gert

Friday, November 14, 2014

"Be fit" level 7, session 11: 40-min Green

40-min Green

Todays run was normal green run. Not too long, not too short... Weather was a bit cold, and as I went out without gloves my fingers got some cold. At least during first 15 minutes of running when body was not yet heated up. My legs are feeling a little tired after the run. Perhaps it is caused by previous session, seems like I'm not yet fully recovered from VO2 max intervals. The OwnOptimizer test result tells the same. I used again  the Adidas Supernova Glide shoes, and seemed like the factor I set int last time was a bit too high. Adjusted it down today after first 4 km. But it means I should go back and correct paces of the VO2max intervals.


Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
11. 40.min green 50:00/53:34 148/159 7.96/8.01 6:44/5:26 53 83/89 84%
10. VO2max intervals 30:00/36:14 158/191 5.63/5.66 6:26/3:17 44 83/101 67%
9. Green 50 min 1:00:00/1:07:59 151/170 9.81/10.57 6:56/4:45 49 84/90 80%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:56 137/146 4.53/4.74 7:42/6:15 52 84/90 70%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Weather was a bit cold: temperature +2°C, very little wind
Clothing: 2 x T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. Fingers got cold (during first 15 mins)

Polar OwnOptimizer test


Now I have performed OwnOptimizer tests each morning... It is suggested to perform them 3 times a week, but I suppose I continue daily tests until I understand the patterns.Today's result is still "Training effect" despite that yesterday was inactive rest day.

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result Previous day
14.11.2014 58 114 75 3 - Training Effect Rest day
13.11.2014 59 109 75 3 - Training Effect VO2max interval
12.11.2014 55 107 68 2 - Normal Rest day
11.11.2014 52 103 67 2 - Normal 50 min green
10.11.2014 55 102 75 2 - Normal active "rest day"


Happy running,
Gert

Wednesday, November 12, 2014

"Be fit" level 7, session 10: VO2 max intervals

VO2 max intervals

This was the first hard session after rest week. I started to feel overt raining signs after I had performed previous instance of this training, and subsequently took the rest week. Hope it goes better this time.
I have been running only with my old shoes recently. This time I took the "newer" ones, Adidas Supernova Glide ones I bought  in august (usage 95 km after todays run). Somehow the calibration factor was been changed in the Polar watch so the speed display was really small at the start of the run. I corrected the calibration factor while I was running; unfortunately I did this during the first yellow interval part so that the speed was a bit too slow during it. But rest of intervals went really nice. The feeling was same as in previous time, see http://gertatrunning.blogspot.com/2014/10/be-fit-level-7-session-6-vo2-max.html. And, as in previous session, I finished last red interval with "all in". Somehow I missed the beep from RS800CX that tells the interval is over so I run hard few seconds too long.
The first yellow (4 minutes) had following stats: HR average 167 (max 171), pace: 5:2 (max 4:41), distance 0.73 km, cadence 87 (max 90). This was followed by 1 minute red run: HR average 175 (max 181), pace 4:00 (max 3:45), distance 0.26 km, cadence 92 (max 94).
The work phase was followed by 4 minute recovery in blue zone. I kept jogging slowly and managed to bring my HR down to ~148 bpm.
The second repetition of intervals was where I pushed all-in at the end of red. Stats for yellow: HR 169 (max 175), pace 5:06 (max 4:35), distance 0.78 km, cadence 88/90.
And for second red phase: HR 180 (max 190), pace 3:46 (max 3:22), distance 0.27 km, cadence 95/101.
I wonder if I should put this data into some kind of table so it is possible to compare different  training sessions?

Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
10. VO2max intervals 30:00/36:14 158/191 5.63/5.66 6:26/3:17 44 83/101 67%
9. Green 50 min 1:00:00/1:07:59 151/170 9.81/10.57 6:56/4:45 49 84/90 80%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:56 137/146 4.53/4.74 7:42/6:15 52 84/90 70%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Weather was good: temperature +7°C, almost no wind
Clothing: T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. A little bit too warm


Polar OwnOptimizer test

I also performed the OwnOptimizer test this morning. I'm a bit surprised that the values are higher than on a day when there was a 1 hour run performed on a day before. I should review my old data; I seem to remember similar pattern at that time (Higher values after rest days than after training days).
If anybody could shed a light I would be thankful.

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result Previous day
12.11.2014 55 107 68 2 - Normal
Rest day
11.11.2014 52 103 67 2 - Normal 50 min green
10.11.2014 55 102 75 2 - Normal active "rest day"
08.11.2014 63* 110 86 2 - Normal
07.11.2014 64* 103 77 2 - Normal
* - Rest period was sitting


Happy running,
Gert

Tuesday, November 11, 2014

"Be fit" level 7, session 9: Long run (50 min green)

50-min green zone run

It's time to jump back into "Be fit" level 7 plan. As the "recovery" was not caused by severe issues I hope I can continue at the point where I made the break. So I took the next session from plan, "50-min green" long run. Forgot to take gloves, and as the weather was kind of cold and windy I headed towards the Kadrioru park (hoping to get some wind protection from trees). The hilly course didn't affect the numbers as much as I expected...

Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
9. Green 50 min 1:00:00/1:07:59 151/170 9.81/10.57 6:56/4:45 49 84/90 80%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:56 137/146 4.53/4.74 7:42/6:15 52 84/90 70%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Weather was ok: temperature +2°C, gentle breeze (5 m/s)
Clothing: 2 x T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. Almost ok, fingers got a bit cold

 

Polar OwnOptimizer test

I restarted the ownoptimizer testing, now with "HR rest" period lying down. Interesting that HR values are lower on 11.11 than they were 10.11, despite of doing 1 h green run on 10.11. Perhaps the non-training activities from Sunday did have an effect, as well as sitting at work all day on Monday.

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result
11.11.2014 52 103 67 2 - Normal
10.11.2014 55 102 75 2 - Normal
08.11.2014 63* 110 86 2 - Normal
07.11.2014 64* 103 77 2 - Normal
* - Rest period was sitting


Coming races

There are two "winter" marathons taking place at the end of this year. One is "4. Pääsküla raba marathon", http://www.haanja100.ee/en/4-paaskyla-marathon-regulations , and the other is "2014 old year marathon", https://www.facebook.com/events/1487504294859562/ They are one month apart, on 22.11 and 20.12. I plan to run them very easy, more like long training sessions. I hope to get a lot of new knowledge during them, as I have not run marathons with low intensity yet. And I hope that one of them would be on snow... Just hope that not on ice.

Week 2 summary

The table below contains just some basic data.
Week Actual count Planned count Actual duration Planned duration Distance S&F duration
Week 1 4 4 3:15 2:54 26.5 km 1:20
Week 2 3 4 2:19 3:00 18.4 km 1:09
Recovery week
4 2:44 21.4 km 1:08

The training time was incresed by 18% compared to previous week and -16% compared to week 1. Well, previous week had one missed training which was peformed at the start of this week. Add in the miCoach strength and flexibility, "Non-equipment training" plan, "Activate" phase. It added 1:08 training time, so total training time for week was 3:52

And the zone breakdown for running trainings were:
Week Blue zone Green zone Yellow zone Red zone
Polar miCoach Polar miCoach Polar miCoach Polar miCoach
Week 1 1:10 1:36 1:24 1:31 0:43 0:04 0:00 0:03
Week 2 0:54 1:17 0:47 0:54 0:29 0:06 0:07 0:03
Recovery week 1:38 1:46 0:52 0:53 0:10 0:01 0:00 0:00

Week 3 overview

The current week will have total time increase 3%. Intervals are the same as in week 2. I hope that jumping in after resting week is not too much for my body. Good that I have time for trial-and-errors...

Week Total time Increase Long run Interval run
Week 1 2:54 40 min green
(+10 min blue)
Yellow intervals, 29 min
9 x 1 min yellow
Week 2 3:00 3%  45 min green
(+10 min blue)
VO2 max intervals, 30 min
2 x (4 min yellow + 1 min red)
Week 3 3:05 3%  45 min green
(+10 min blue)
VO2 max intervals, 30 min
2 x (4 min yellow + 1 min red)

Again, add the 3 exercises of strength and flexibility, planned duration of 45 min.

Happy running,
Gert

Sunday, November 9, 2014

Rest week, session 4: Blue 30 min recovery

Blue 30 min recovery

The last session recovery of the week was on Saturday, and Sunday will be rest day. Hopefully I have recovered well enough to take higher training loads next week. The HR graph is garbage for the start of session: probably because I played with OwnOptimizer testing on morning and the skin lost the moisture during that period. The running index might be influenced as well... The peak HR was recorded to be 175, I took maximum from the later session period for statistical data.


Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:56 137/146 4.53/4.74 7:42/6:15 52 84/90 70%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Also the last "Activate" strength and flexibility plan session was on Saturday. I'll take next "Non-equipment" plan starting on Monday, it will be "get lean" I believe. Not sure if this is good choice, maybe I should go with "Get Strong" instead. But I'm curios to see, those three weeks will not be wasted (even if the plan is too easy).

Weather was good: temperature +4°C, gentle breeze (5 m/s)
Clothing: T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. Almost ok, fingers got a bit cold

Polar OwnOptimizer test

Second OwnOptimizer test today (prior to training). I think I have to restart the testing and make a new baseline: I have been sitting during the "rest" part of the test so far. But, today, I actually made two tests. First was giving 66-110-80 and "3 - training effect" as a result. I think that it is because of the sitting position is changing too much between test, and hence the effort that heart needs to do. Seems like the "Resting" heart rate is influencing test result more than other two, so the sitting position really needs to be consistent. Can't do that well enough; will be lying down for next tests.

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result
08.11.2014 63 110 86 2 - Normal
07.11.2014 64 103 77 2 - Normal


Happy running,
Gert

Friday, November 7, 2014

Rest week, session 3: Blue 30 min recovery

Blue 30 min recovery


Another easy recovery run, two more during this week. Didn't get enough rest at night, children were waking me up. And I still woke up at 5:30 in morning. A little bit tire feeling after the tarining and during the first half of day. Today I run in the Kadrioru park http://www.visitestonia.com/en/kadriorg-park?site_preference=normal. It is a bit more hilly than my normal course. And more traffic lights to stop on. But it's actually nice place to run, just not worth in case of 30 min jog.


Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
_. Blue recovery 30:00/35:01 132/148 4.18/4.42 8:23/4:45 48 81/87 86%
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Weather was good: temperature +6°C, gentle breeze (4 m/s)
Clothing: T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. Ok.

Polar OwnOptimizer test

As I wrote already I want to measure the training state somehow. So I decided to use the OwnOptimizer feature in my Polar RS800CX. The test is comparing five HR characteristics between tests, which are taken at rest position and while standing. The other name for the test is "orthostatic test". There's some good information about the test at Polar web "The what and how of orthostatic test": http://www.polar.com/en/support/the_what_and_how_of_orthostatic_test?product_id=64983&category=faqs Also, the RS800CX user manual has some information http://www.polar.com/e_manuals/RS800CX/Polar_RS800CX_user_manual_English/ch09.html#OwnOptimizer

Date HR Rest HR Peak HR Stand Result
07.11.2014 64 103 77 2 - Normal

The "Normal" state is expected as the watch does not have baseline yet - so it considers whatever values it gets as my "Normal" ones. And actually I have zero knowledge about their meaning as well. I looked at my history and I have performed this OwnOptimizer test with my old RS400 during some period of year 2008. But I think they can't be anyhow compared to values I have today...
The what and how of orthostatic test displays two additional parameters that are not captured when performing test with RS800CX: Resting and standing heart rate variability. But, the test protocol is very simple and the Polar ProTrainer 5 can generate OwnOptimizer test result from the exercise I can record with watch. Perhaps I will try to perform such manual tests for a while to record that extra information... The test protocol itself is very simple: 3 minutes rest + 3 minutes standing up. Let's see how it turns out in practise.


Happy running,
Gert

Wednesday, November 5, 2014

Rest week, session 2: Blue 30 min recovery

Blue 30 min recovery


First easy recovery run, two more during this week. Feeling was very good, I would like to train harder. But perhaps I will stick with original decision.

Session Duration
plan/actual
HR
avg/max
Distance
Polar/GPS
Pace
avg/max
Run index Cadence
avg/max
miCoach score %
_. Blue recovery 30:00/34:46 133/143 4.44/4.53 7:50/6:32 52 82/90 91%
7 -> 8. Green 40 min 50:00/59:18 146/162 8.30/8.41 7:09/5:21 50 82/91 77%
8 -> 7. Blue recovery 45:00/48:03 136/145 6.01/6.10 7:59/6:01 51 82/93 91%
6. VO2max intervals 30:00/31:38 153/190 4.58/4.91 6:54/3:37 45 81/98 76%
5. Green 45 min 55:00/1:08:01 149/163 7.80/9.04 7:37/5:18 49 85/91 67%
4. Blue recovery 45:00/48:48 139/153 6.00/6.32 8:00/6:49 49 81/90 81%
3. Green 40 min 50:00/55:03 151/163 7.81/7.98 7:05/5:24 48 84/89 89%
2. Yellow intervals 29:00/31:28 149/171 4.52/4.68 7:05/4:28 48 81/95 55%
1. Green 40 min 50:00/59:17 145/163 8.2/8.55 7:08/5:27 49 81/90 81%

Weather was good: temperature +9°C, moderate breeze (7 m/s)
Clothing: T-shirt, 2 x long sleeve shirt, track suite, ski hat. Perhaps a bit too warm.